Monday, February 2, 2009

The Question of God: Part Two


Good job on the last one! Most people had a lot to say. Remember, opinions are great, but need thorough explanation.

Don't use fictional characters to prove a point.

Directions: Answer one or more of the questions below thoroughly and intelligently. Be thorough. Give examples. If you have an opinion, please share it; however, make sure you explain why that is your opinion. Do not repeat what someone else has already said unless you are expounding on their point.

1. Most of us think happiness when we hear the word Joy; however, Lewis describes Joy as, "an unsatisfied desire which is itself more desirable than any other satisfaction." In other words, within every one of us are desires that we find so great and inspiring that we are overwhelmed and awed by them. From where do you think that feeling or sense comes? Have you ever experienced this Joy? How did you respond to it?

2. The rationalist approach says that the immensity of the universe and the seeming magic of life is enough to naturally cause what we call "Joy," "God," or the "Supernatural." The spiritual worldview says that a Higher Being put this feeling in all of us so we would desire or at least acknowledge His existence. What do you make of this? Who is right? Who is wrong? Why? Does either side have a weakness in its argument? Does either point have a stronger basis?

3. When Lewis's mother lay dying, Lewis, as a young child, believed that if he prayed hard enough to God, his mother would live. His mother ended up dying. Did the prayer fail? Was Lewis's view of prayer correct? Have you ever experienced the feeling that no matter how hard you prayed, God didn't seem to care about you? What conclusions did you draw?

4. When was the first time in your life that you remember being "awakened"? In other words, what was the first moment in your life as a child that you remember thinking and being aware of things around you? Was it something beautiful, ugly, kind, scary, or something else that created your first memory? Does this memory still affect you today?

5. After Lewis's mother died, his father became a very threatening person in Lewis's life. Lewis would wake up in the night, afraid that his brother and father had gone to America without him. How do you think this affected him as a child? Do you have any memory of being lost from your parents when you were young? Of course you are older now, but do you still have fear of being abandoned?

6. Mothers.
a. The first object that most infants recognize is their mother. In the video, some of the panel mentioned that this maternal relationship may prime babies for a relationship with a Creator. Do you believe this is true? Do you believe it's even worth discussing in the "Question of God" debate?

b. If you remember what happened to Freud in his youth from the video two weeks ago and compare it to what you learned about Lewis this week you might see that they both suffered losses of their mothers and maternal figures at very early ages. Think about how much your mother has influenced you growing up. If you had lost your mother at such an early age, what would you think of God? Would you doubt His existence, turn more toward Him, or would you be about the same in your beliefs?

23 comments:

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  2. Questions are hard but interesting enough.
    Let me think.

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  3. lt's question that doen't fit to my coconut head teacher. i love you too much for these questions every week

    um... let me think

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  4. Second part of Question 3

    When I was a middle school student, I focused on outward appearance a lot.I prayed every night before I went to bed that pimples on my face would be gone and I would be taller next morning.
    I thought that one day I would be happy to see myself changed when I opened my eyes and looked at mirror(even though that happiness never came).
    I kept praying with one more request which my nose would be grown.I was eager to pray.I repeated my requests several times when I prayed so that God might complete my prayer immediately.
    However,I found out myself disappointed every morning because nothing happened to me.My nose still was and is one that I saw when I was a elementary school student.One day(I don't know exactly when),I stopped praying those requests.I didn't know why God refused to hear my prayer until I heard one preacher saying that God will not hear one's prayer if he prays for his selfish desire and if he has sin in his life.
    Then I understood why my prayer was not answered.
    And I concluded that God did not hear my prayer but my way of praying was wrong;also He
    had the appropriate reason to refuse to answer.
    I have to pray for God to help me ,not to do something I want for my own benefit. With that conclusion I have not prayed for my lust until now.

    (It is an embarrasing memory to talk about ,but I wasn't mature that time.)

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  5. hahahahahaha Jesse's comment is so cute:)
    and............what is Rocky talking about..?
    coconut head? he loves you too much all of sudden?
    just wondering.........

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  6. Question number 2

    Let's go straightforward. The second question is verty interesting to me because I really support both two arguments. The awe and amusement individual human beings feel can be explained as the natural phenomena and as the spiritual understanding also.

    The interesting point is that both naturalism and spiritualism face the same natural awe and amusement. In another word, the degree of the wonder is same. However, naturalism concludes that awe is just natural phenomena for human beings ; those unexplainable nature brings amusement because humans are yet to be wise enough. If humans realize the 'reason' for the phenomenon, they will not feel awe and wonder. For example, we feel wonder before realizing how trick works on majic, but after then, we no longer feel same degree of amusement. People are shocked by the DNA code and human clone at first. However, people no longer show much awe to those issues anymore nowaday, because we understood how those things work ; human genome and cloning became so mundane topics. To be specific, the 'ignorance' brings wonder and majical feeling. The 'ignorance' brings the awe and amusement to people who see the un-explainable natural phenomena.

    Spiritualism is also true. Bible clearly mentions that it is lieing that humans can't feel the existence of God that he left his existence to all over the place in nature. By looking and feeling how marvelous our earth is, individuals can sense the existence of God.

    But the question is...Why naturalism concludes highly secular viewpoint and spritualism concludes religious answer even though they face same phenomena? For my personal consideration, the distinction is not based on intelligence of naturalists and spiritualists. Instead, the difference is based on people's attitude. For example, the word 'impossible' means incapable. However, one can view the word as 'I'm possible'. The word 'live' means living and dwelling. However, it can be seen as 'evil' also. Eventhough the words are same, the understandings(viewpoint) are quite different. This is same for naturalism and spiritualism. Naturalists conclude naturalism because they do not want to accept God. Spiritualist conclude religious answer because they want to accept his existence. Simply, both arguements are based on the faith and want, not on intelligence ; desire and attitude shape one's faith and knowing.

    Therefore, even though I believe the spritiual world view correct, both of them are very convincing to me. In another word, I regard neither of the arguements strong or better. I feel wonder when I see something marvelous in nature, because I don't know the reasons for that happening such as mysteries. The universe is full of wonder, and ignorance on this world kindly leads us to feeling of awe and amusement, so as spiritualism.

    -Anyway, my point is clear. I believe both of them convincing and I believe difference between two ideas is only attitude(desire).

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  7. Yes, his prayer failed.
    I think Lewis's view of prayer is not correct because it can not be always good that getting all responses from God, if I closely consider the future, not the present. Of course, since He is my Father, he wants to give me what I want more than my physical parent does and what God does is always reasonable. He does not respond all of my requests, because He wants me to give more fruitful and valuable thing, even though there is hardship to make me be mature. I understand, as young child, Lewis could believe that if he prayed a lot to God, his mother could be alive. But thinking God will give me everything I want, because I am His child, is wrong. The reason is it can be his greed to fulfill his desire, not God's purpose.
    I have experience that my prayer failed. When I did evangelize my friend, I prayed and prepared a lot for her, because we were really close to each other like a family and I do wish that she becomes a daughter of my Father, God. I was sure that she would say OK and go to church every Sunday with me, because bring someone to God is a thing that every Christians must do. However, It was totally wrong. She said she was too busy to go to church -because she was preparing for Art High School - and her mother did not allow to go there. Since I prayed hard enough, I never even thought she would say No. It was shock and, at first, I felt God does not even want me to evangelize to others, although I tried to be and do good. Nevertheless, as I said earlier, one thing pop on my head that there would be a reason. May be, at that time, she was not prepared to meet God, because I did not tell about Him ever, but prayed only. The most important thing that I remember from this experience is there is always reason, because all thing is controled by God.

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  8. I chose question 3 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    SEE YOU TOMORROW :D

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  9. Questioin3: Part One

    I don’t think Lewis’ prayer failed. Even though his mother eventually died and he ended up becoming an atheist for a short period of time in his life, he became one of the most influential writers in the 19th century and most importantly, a faithful Christian. Becoming a famous writer and a Christian might not be what the boy wanted when his mother was dying in bed, but God has plan for everyone and it’s beyond human knowledge. In my opinion, God brings bad things before good things. Although his mother died, this painful experience might have enabled him to become a man who is useful in His plan.

    Part Two

    When I hear other Christians’ prayer requests, I realize that they only consider prayer as a tool to achieve their wishes. I am not saying that they are wrong, thus Lewis’ view of prayer is correct because requesting is a major function of prayer. However, in my opinion prayer should be more like conversation with God to find out what can be done to bring glory to His name because God’s plan, not men’s, shall be done as Bible says.

    God’s plan should be fulfilled not men’s because God’s plan is better than theirs. For instance, when I was in middle school, studied very hard to get into a special high school where students could learn sciences and math in advance. In order to go there, I studied at an academy from 5 pm to until midnight everyday even during schooldays, so it seemed that I was going to two separate schools each day. However, I was willing to do so and prayed strenuously because I really wished to go there. Unfortunately I failed, but instead I had a chance to go to the U.S. as a foreign exchange student and eventually I ended up attending SCS.

    When I look back on my life until now, however, I am glad that I had failed to go to the high school because if I had been accepted by the high school, I would most likely have been studying all 365 days in competition under excessive amount of pressure without adequate break. And even after I graduate there with good GPAs and get into an excellent college, my choice of taking future job will be narrowed down greatly into a few, such as a laboratory technician or a scientist, which earn me little money, since I will be only skilled at sciences and math. In realistic aspect, being an exchange student and attending to SCS have enabled me to take jobs from many different fields, other than science, because I can speak two completely different languages. In spiritual aspect, I have strengthened my faith by studying Bible everyday in SCS. If I had gone to that secular school, my spiritual condition would have been decreased for sure. Furthermore, I would have ended up becoming like Freud since I love sciences and math, which have driven many people away from believing God but rather into atheism and agnosticism by helping them to reason God’s existence.

    God may not seem to listen to people’s prayers and bring unpleasant things in their lives. He, however, always brings good things through His plan, which is better than theirs, eventually when they try to live according to the scripture.
    Thus my conclusion is this: it is absolutely right to pray to God for what they wish, but they should not feel bad and become frustrated when their prayers seem to fail because God is planning something better throughout their lives.

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  10. At the end of the 1st paragraph in Part Two section, I couldn't quote the verse because i couldn't find it anywhere.
    Is it plagiarism??

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  11. OOPS...-_-;
    I found errors.

    And I concluded that God did not hear my prayer but my way of praying was wrong; CHANGES INTO
    "And I concluded that because my way of praying was wrong, God could not answer the prayer."

    I WANT TO ADD "since I prayed for my lust". AFTER
    also He had the appropriate reason to refuse to answer


    SORRY, TEACHER :(

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  13. #3

    Lewis’s prayer probably was about his mother’s health to be healed. He worried about his mother so much that he decided to depend on God who seemed superficial to him. He thought that if he prays hard enough, God will heal his mother competently. At least, he did not believe that she will end up dying. Unfortunately, in his view, God did not answer or “listen” to his prayer because she died which means his prayer did fail. Because he hoped his mother to be healed too much, he was disappointed from God and he became an atheist, who says there is no God.
    However, Lewis’s view of prayer was correct. As being human, all men have the feeling of desire, even Christians pray for their need to God. God says He wants to hear every little prayer from us. Mark 11:24 “Therefore I say to you, whatever things you ask when you pray, believe that you receive them, and you will have them.”
    Sometimes, people think they are always right and best. However, because men are not perfect, they make mistakes. And that is why we should depend on God. God has planned everything before we were born; the perfect God does not make any mistake. I definitely know that God wants me to pray for everything that I desire. John 15:7 “If you abide in Me, and My words abide in you, you will ask what you desire, and it shall be done for you.”
    People would feel that God doesn’t listen to their prayers; sometimes they hold an extreme view that God does not care about them. God knows more about our needs and wills than we do. If we follow God’s will, we will see answers of our prayers and know it’s all God’s work. We should not pray for our will but for God’s will which is more beneficial to us.
    I also have experienced the feeling that Lewis felt. When I was little, I had all kinds of cold at once which lasted a month. I couldn’t sleep, eat, walk, and talk. So I prayed every night to God, “Dear God, I am having hard times these days because of cold. I know you can heal me. My mom said if I pray to you, I will be better. So heal me, Jesus name, amen.” There was any indication of healing process. I was still sick for a week. I asked my mom that, “why He does not listen to my prayer?” but the answer was always same. She said that I have to pray more with pretty heart. I doubted God and did not pray, and few days later I got better. At first, I thought God is too busy to listen to my prayer, however, as time went by, I even thought that my prayer was worthless and that was why He did not answer it.
    Now I know why God does not answer my prayers quickly. Everything has a reason which is ordained by God. By the terrible cold, I learned how to be patient and I became very mature.
    Even though I cannot see answers of prayer right away, I know He will answer it sooner or later. And conclude myself that there will be a reason why He does not anwer my prayer, I think i should pray more.

    We chiristians have to know that God has planned amazing events for us that we could not even imagine.

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  14. Q3.

    "Ye ask, and receive it not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may consume it upon your lusts"
    -Jas4:3-
    This is what I have believed from the beginning about the issue of unanswered prayers. Considering the case of the Lewis and my past circumstances, however, I realize that this subject needs to be concerned more seriously. my question was that 'why God didn't answered sincere prayer of Lewis about his mother?' because his prayer, obviously, was not for his own lusts and due to his selfishness. As I think about this issue more seriously, I started to realize that there are many instances similar to the matter. For example, recently my second grandmother found out that she has a brain cancer. Actually, it was my uncle who found out. My whole familly was really depressed and despaired to know this fact. the fact that my grandma still don't know about her illness makes me more sad and feel sorry. So, I prayed every night with sincere heart to keep her and for his familly who probably suffer more than her. However, God didn't answer to my prayer. other than my circumstances there are many events similar to this. by only looking at the long list of prayer requests, one can easilly find out that there are many unanswered requests.

    So, my question is ' what's the reason God does not answer if the request is not asked amiss and not for one's selfish desires.? After I think about it and find some resources, I finally got the answer. The answer is 'nobody knows except God himself'. As a creature of God, we could never know about the plan and thoughts of God unless He directly reveal to us. Only thing we can do is just postulating why God has done things in certain ways and why God didn't answered the honest prayer.

    Subjectively, I have some ideas why God doesn't answer the prayers of people. First of all, I think individual should ask himself the prayer he prays is really acceptable unto God. Is it too selfish? Is it unacceptable unto God's standard? or is it effortless?(this means one just solely depending on the prayer without any effort). Next, God sometimes do not listen to his people according to His plans. Of course, we never know about the plan, yet we know God would do what's good for us and eventually understanble when we are allowed to open spiritual eyes. Lastly, I personally also think that God do not listen because may be to punish wicked person. Bible clearly mentioned that God do not answer to evil men. maybe if person was negliable about God for long times and he only asks for help when he has some problems, God would not listen to that selfish and unfaithful child.
    In conclusion, the question 'does Lewis' prayer fail.'? it certainly failed according to our senses and perspetives. However, we don't know it actually failed because maybe for God, it can be successful. it makes sense when we consider that Lewis finally become the child of God. Anyway, my main point on the issue is 'we can't determine whether the prayer is really answered or not because God is one who surpasses our own reasoning and knowledge.' we never know God's plan and His ideas

    ' The secret things are belong unto the LORD our God: but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever, that we may do all the word of this law'
    -Deu 29:29-

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  15. "Lord... please.. please..."
    I came back to Korea after my five years of studying abroad for many reasons. What I commented last week was one reason (that I wanted to evangelize my dad and friends, and here is my another reason.
    My mom's visa was rejected by USA embassy no matter how many times she tried to get it again and again. Every months, she turned her forms in and had interviews. I was tired of praying and waiting for my mom. Since it was unexpected separation between her and me, living by myself was uneasy. I cried and cried every day in church when I prayed to God. I did not understand why God does not answer my prayer. I thought nothing was wrong with my prayer. My mom worked a lot in church in America as a servant of God and I needed her so badly for my worsened health. I had this question in my mind: “Why does God ignore my prayer if my prayer was good for everyone and God?”
    However, I found out God has reasons when he does not answer my desperate prayer. He had the BEST way planned for me and I just could not realize it. I always had this struggling mind in me of my father’s not believing God. In December, my dad told to this will be last try of my mom and if she doesn’t get it, I had to come back to Korea. I prayed to God until I faint, but my prayer was changed. “God, do Your will unto me, I know you are preparing the Best thing for me always and the Best way to glorify you.” Few days later, I got call from my mother that visa was rejected again. Right after I heard that, I prayed again. “Lord, I understand Your will, and I will obey.” I went to my school and told the admission officer that I am transferring. I packed all my stuff and got on the airplane.
    From that time, now I do not pray to fulfill my desire. I pray to Him everyday, which way I can glorify Him more since I have 100% of faith that He will direct and guide me to the way of the greatest.


    Proverbs 16:9 “A man’s heart deviseth his way; but the LORD directeth his steps.”

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  16. I agreed with Max's comment. Mine is added comment of Max's with my own experience.
    Thank You..


    AND>>>>>>>
    teacher..why am i so sick every week...!!!!!!!!!
    AHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  17. Q. 1

    Well, In my opinion, we all have unnoticeable desires, that we all shouldn't like to reveal and declare. Everyone wouldn't realize it but, if we really put focus on it and consider deeply, we'll be able to acknowledge it.

    Yes, I totally agree with Mr.Lewis, and I at least understand he's meaning, which is very thoughtful. I boldly, without any true suspects and ideas believe, that these desires are natural in our human-beings, for we are born of a sinfulness. Most of us, whom are not potentially an ''Abraham faith'' would have desires in the world, a his or her selfish desires.

    These desires are somehow fulfilled then, the true happiness is created in our mind. If you ask, what if the ''happiness'' before accomplishing of our desires? what is that? Those happinesses are the things that is latently brainwashed sources by contacting with surroundings.

    For example, naturally most of the boy like to have a robot in young ages. There'll be no boy that like to receive doll rather than boy, if he's not a somekind of...werido... However, this boy's potential desire is too general and obvious. Everyone would guess and got scored, that if this boy receives a toy, he will be jumping around with ''Joy.''

    Example above is too rubbish.. I apologize my low-standard writing skill... I will put effort on it as I am writing.:>

    I am experiencing joy everyday by feeling God's plan for me and that I have very many things to learn. I don't know how my characteristic became like this, but I am amazed with sensing God's humbleness and gracefulness. One of my joy is wondering about, ''what is plan today that God had arranged for me in order to fit his man?''

    I'm very grateful, that I am blessed with extreme positiveness and peace that other people cannot enjoy. Very indeed, many people have said to me that I am going too easy.

    Well, there is very many branches that we feel joy because we have so many things that we hope and wait for. Every moment those, each desires are achieved we will face great joy.

    In conclusion, I think the joy we feel is depended upon our state-of-mind, like how we reacts to it and receive it. However, if you want eternal, never-ending joy, I recommend you to find those absurd joy in Christ. :)

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  18. Question 4 and second part of question 5:

    To me these questions go along.

    Second part of question 5:

    My memory goes back to more than 13 years ago.
    My parents, grandmother, and I went to one festival.Of course, the festival was full of human beings.I was holding my mother or grandmother's hand.Unfortunately and accidently(I hope so), I missed her hand.I did not cry
    immediately(I still remember people passing by me).I didn'y know what to do and started to cry.Thankfully, one guy took me to a police office.More thankfully, I knew my father's name and phone number.

    Question 4:

    I think it was the first moment that I felt awakened when I lost from my parents.Everyone passing by me was an alien;everything around me was strange.It was a loneliness(Of course, that moment I did not realize that it was the loneliness because I was busy to cry).I felt I was transformed into the another world.Joy and happiness I had when I was holding my grandmother's hand turned into nightmare of loneliness.
    This memory made my heart weak.Also as I grew, it gave me an idea that human is born alone and dies alone.After that incident,I felt lonely periodically and I could not figure out why.
    However, I know now: this memory in childhood still affects me from the bottom of my heart and consciousness.

    Last part of question 5:

    Now, I don't fear that my parents will abandon me.In fact, living without my parents' help will be my new motivation in life.However, I fear that
    I will be alone because they die, not because they abandon me.

    I am sorry.My comment is messy.But I know you will understand well.:) Oh! it's 11:52! Bye.

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  19. oooooooooooops mistake...

    par.2

    2nd sentence:

    ~ages. There'll be no boy that like to receive [doll rather than boy], if...

    doll rather than the

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  20. Question 3.
    I, personally believe that Lewis prayer did not fail. However his view of the prayer was wrong. I can say his prayer was not fail, because we as human being can never understand God's unlimited knowledge. I would like to use two words to describe why Lewis's prayer was not fail. First, God's divine providence among the world. God already planned all the happenings on the world. People tend to blame God, when tragic happens to their lifes. However, all the happenings are not accidental. They are all planned by God to bring glory to Himself. Second, God's divine sovereignty. God has power over the universe. It's obvious that creator has control over His cretures. People should never worry about their futures and problems, because God is in presense, and He is the creator.
    Lewis's view of prayer was wrong. He prayed to God just because his mother was very sick and he thought when he pray enough, his mother can be alive. Lewis thought of God as a Aladdin who just answer to the request right away. Yes, God is all mighty and He has abilities to answer all of our prayer requests, but sometimes we felt that God never answer to out prayer that does not mean He does not take care of me. If God never answer to our requests, that means He does not want us to go this direction. It does not accord from God. As Lewis's mother died even he prayed hard enough to save his mother, it is all accoring to God's plan to use Lewis to bring him all the glories. To use of my own experience of no matter how hard I pray, the prayer did not fulfill. It's about 5 years ago, when I was at the state. I lived with my two older sisters. One day, I felt something was wrong, and suddenly my oldest sister scremed at my second oldest sister. My second oldest sister just had the fit. I felt that my sister was almost died and I began to pray for my sister and my own relax. It was first time I ever pray for someone or myself. I prayed that my sister would get healed quickly and and to have a fit anymore. No matter how I hard to pray, God did not answer my prayer. My sister kept fitting and ambulances came to our house and took her to the nearest hospital. After this happening, my second sister attended to a church. She said that she felt clam and please when she song the gospels. Surprisely enough, my parents, who were athesis, got saved and attended to church. From this, I could draw a conclusion. As we are not smart as God, sometimes we can fully understand why God gave such hard times to us. But I am sure for one thing, God uses us to bring Him glory.

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  21. Sorry for a late comment..

    I forgot about the homework again..

    I wish a mercy from Miss.Stephens, the most beautiful teacher in the world.

    Question #1

    As a person who loves music, I have always been loved to listen to music and watch lives. In my mind, I admired great musicians who played and made great music, almost at the point of idolizing them.

    Lewis described Joy as “an unsatisfied desire which is itself more desirable than any other satisfaction.” For me, watching great musicians playing inspiring songs have always given me a shocking sensation. I was overwhelmed and awed when I first listened to a “Stairway to Heaven” by Led Zeppelin. As I listened to the songs by Led Zeppelin and how Jimmy Page brought up different feelings through the solo part of “Stairway to Heaven” on all different lives, I started to desire for a great sense of musician (not the personal life which are drugging, smoking, drinking, and sex).

    As I bought the guitar and started to practice songs, I enjoyed most part of playing on the one side and depressed on the other side. I knew that mastering a song is an enduring job. Yet, I was confident that I can play songs decently in a short time. As I practice and understand the hardness of music, I started to dig down the music more deeply.

    When I approached to a point of roughly copying the song “Stairway to Heaven,” joy overwhelmed me. I was proud of myself that I moved one step forward to become great musicians that I always admire. Compare to musicians who I respect greatly, I am a novice who just entered the great world of music. However, the whole procedure gives me joy and fulfillment, willing to play throughout my life.

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  22. hahahaha! you all make me laugh so hard! i love everyone of you and you give me Joy all the time! (except of course Rocky and his coconut head.)

    jerry, i know i'm beautiful. be on-time!!! that would be something i'd NEVER expect! (just kidding.)

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